tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post5712644649192540244..comments2023-08-17T17:22:19.192+05:30Comments on Nomad with a desk job: Corridor of stupidity?nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14659089058281311893noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-57331262939887249122008-05-15T17:14:00.000+05:302008-05-15T17:14:00.000+05:30I think we agree on most points here. The Delhi B...I think we agree on most points here. The Delhi BRT has not been able to convey a positive image. The pedestrian crossing facilities are poor (but that also reflects on the behaviour of motorised vehicle users)<BR/><BR/>The metro is coming up in a big way in the NCR. It will need a very good feeder support system. It is time for some comprehensive planning. Instead of making it a metro vs BRT debate in Delhi, it is time for the policy makers to think about integrating the two to complement each otherAbhijithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02502266526919096406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-72839034958277786532008-05-15T16:24:00.000+05:302008-05-15T16:24:00.000+05:30AbhijitMany thanks for your comments - I was looki...Abhijit<BR/>Many thanks for your comments - I was looking forward to them. Thanks first of all for correcting me at places, specially due to my ignorance.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you almost everywhere. Infact I never said that the BRT was bad - I'm just saying that the manner in which the whole thing has been implemented has proven beneficial to nobody, neither the bus commuter, nor the car commuter nor the pedestrian.<BR/><BR/>Also, if the bus is in the central lane, why aren't there enough foot over bridges for people to cross over? How will pedestrians be made safe without them? <BR/><BR/>Another thing - what is in it (yet) for the car user to switch over to the bus?<BR/><BR/>Metro may not be viable for other cities, but at least for the NCR I think it is the way to go. BRT can be implemented where ever the Metro isn't going.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14659089058281311893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-23552347369009359622008-05-15T12:50:00.000+05:302008-05-15T12:50:00.000+05:30Reason 1Agree about the mindset of Delhiwalas. Bu...Reason 1<BR/>Agree about the mindset of Delhiwalas. But this is not peculiar to Delhi. Most cities have this mindset, Delhi may be numero uno in this. <BR/><BR/>What Delhi has is a half baked BRT. Just 5.5 km now. Most bus routes are 20 km or more. As such, they do not get any benefit in speed for the *entire* route. But, if you travel on the buses on the corridor (I did it yesterday), there is a definite improvement in speed.<BR/><BR/>Reason 2<BR/>The design is bad, but not for the reasons you mention (central bus lane). You mention that 'technically' a person does not have to cross the road to access the bus stop in a non BRT situation. What if his bus stop is on the other side of the road? Does he not cross the entire width of the road then? Draw a simple diagram showing the road in front of your home and the road in front of your office. For an up and down journey, how many lanes would you cross, irrespective of where the bus lane/ bus stop is located? How would you cross the road if the bus stop is on the other side? Zebra? FoB, subway? Or as we Indians tend to do, run across the street wherever we are! ;)<BR/><BR/>The problem with the design lies in the detailing (lots of problem). The problem lies in our own road discipline, or lack of it. <BR/><BR/>Reason 3<BR/>The average occupancy of a car in Delhi is 1.2 persons/ car. The average occupancy of a bus is 50. Ever thought of how much space 42 cars would take compared to one bus? What is the function of a road? To move vehicles or move people? <BR/><BR/>You forgot to mention one thing. One lane has also been reserved for cyclists and slow moving vehicles. Pedestrians have decent facilities now. <BR/><BR/>The problem is with the growth of cars in Delhi, not the BRT. <BR/><BR/>The problem with the Delhi BRT is that it has just not been made attractive enough for the switch. <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't call Geetam and Dinesh Mohan potheads. They are very passionate people who have pursued the BRT because they believe it is safer for pedestrians. ToI's coverage of the Delhi BRT has been extremely disappointing. Patrons of TRIPP? Telco is also a major car manufacturer in India and are coming out with a 1 lac car. Conflict of interest?<BR/><BR/>Have you thought about the price about getting the metro kind of system to every road in Delhi? 'A price worth paying' you say. How much should this price be? Any idea?<BR/><BR/>Shanx, do a survey of the bus commuters on that stretch. You might be surprised!Abhijithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02502266526919096406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-82493385211044643892008-05-03T17:10:00.000+05:302008-05-03T17:10:00.000+05:30came to see from SS's blog who said that you write...came to see from SS's blog who said that you write very well!! :) must say that i have to agree with him.Roop Raihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04851262795909138966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-46385578029000377722008-05-01T18:44:00.000+05:302008-05-01T18:44:00.000+05:30From what you've written it looks like a BRT in de...From what you've written it looks like a BRT in delhi would be more appropriate and implementable AFTER the Metro network was sucessfully and entirely laid down. It would have done its share of curbing the traffic, hopefully taking a little load off the buses as well.<BR/>As far as the delhiite mentality is concerned, what about , I go first-the world be damned, skip all red lights, and meaningless road-rages? While we may be skilful at the wheels, our attitude still remains similar to the cows that walk the road, heedless to its rules and decoramThe Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03343825442433048777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-4189607209120585252008-04-28T18:04:00.000+05:302008-04-28T18:04:00.000+05:30Try having BRTS in Hyderabad.. its proposed though...Try having BRTS in Hyderabad.. its proposed though.. maybe they'd run the buses through graveyards and on footpaths (wherever they exist) ;)Vrijilesh Raihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03012685634902956877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-39454517876442874492008-04-28T12:29:00.000+05:302008-04-28T12:29:00.000+05:30BRTS = MESS..This is true.. it just messes up with...BRTS = MESS..<BR/>This is true.. it just messes up with the traffic , the traffic flow and the roads as well.. It has already proven to be a outright stupid solution in PUNEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-21019838667451551982008-04-27T23:37:00.000+05:302008-04-27T23:37:00.000+05:30The BRTS seems to be working in Pune now. They are...The BRTS seems to be working in Pune now. They are going with it there, observing the impact closely. Delhi is a nightmare for any rapid transit system...so is Chennai here. The problem is with urban planning...there has never been one. We Indians are used to living with the legacies. We built haphazard cities and then move out of them and build planned suburbs and are now urging millions of people to move to them. <BR/><BR/>I read that even Vizag is going for a BRTS. Same problem. Too much ambition and too less urban planning. But I guess they are keen on the Pune model of doing it sep by step.rangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07046291920623885337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-1774439984629711132008-04-27T16:51:00.000+05:302008-04-27T16:51:00.000+05:30That the BRT was going to be a fiasco was well kno...That the BRT was going to be a fiasco was well known, at least to the readers of The Times of India, as the newspaper had been publishing a series of articles on the subject much before the BRT project plan was fully implemented.<BR/><BR/>I suppose the learned professors from IIT-Delhi or the bureaucrats of the Delhi government either do not read that newspaper or chose to ignore the material that was published.<BR/><BR/>The reasons for the failure of the project, as you have clearly pointed out in this blog-post, are based on common-sense and not rocket-science.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is time for the companies that hire final year students and alumni from the IITs at higher salaries than engineers from other institutes to do a rethink or at least a reality check.Sidhusaahebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08428201823375343016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20865411.post-85406350387068800532008-04-27T05:08:00.000+05:302008-04-27T05:08:00.000+05:30I do not know too much about buses but I do know t...I do not know too much about buses but I do know they need to redesign 18 wheelers to more fuel efficient! I run a fleet of 18 wheelers and our monthly fuel costs are over 9,000.00 each. They sure put a lot of effort to revamp the buses all the time but who is putting forth the effort for the 18wheelers? you can visit our business @ <BR/>http://www.car--transport.com Does any one know what the fuel efficientcy of the metro or larger buses ARE????? Great Post, Good luck and God Bless!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137467810762314853noreply@blogger.com